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		<title>By: How Invisibility Made Me Hate My Body: Part 3 &#124; Monica Maldonado/TransActivisty</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How Invisibility Made Me Hate My Body: Part 3 &#124; Monica Maldonado/TransActivisty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as many of us have experienced, this self-preservation can often turn into a nasty brand of community-enforced isolation. Trans [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as many of us have experienced, this self-preservation can often turn into a nasty brand of community-enforced isolation. Trans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the bitch/man conundrum &#171; inchoaterica</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the bitch/man conundrum &#171; inchoaterica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in the &#8220;trans community.&#8221; or, well, i&#8217;ve at least touched on the attempts at reason that the &#8220;trans community&#8221; provides, since i really don&#8217;t understand what part [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the &#8220;trans community.&#8221; or, well, i&#8217;ve at least touched on the attempts at reason that the &#8220;trans community&#8221; provides, since i really don&#8217;t understand what part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: inchoaterica</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3917</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I live in a mid-size city and yet I’m not aware of more than two (yes, two in a city with +1 million inhabitants) who are reasonably trans women -safe for HRT.&quot;

I really hadn&#039;t meant to reply as your comment seemed self-evident and awesome and all, but i thought about this statistic for a long while (metro area population of about 2.7 million here, three doctors) and it seems to be pretty damn consistent, doesn&#039;t it? I have to wonder how many times we can repeat this extrapolation...

&quot;Apparently they believe such things don’t happen even when faced with overwhelming evidence that trans women outed do seem to lose their jobs and go off their rockers quite often. Many of those wishful people also seem to be retired, or students – i.e. not dependent on wages.&quot;

I&#039;m presently a student, and also employed, but I have been told that if I came out at school I would no longer be going to school. I am moving back to the real world of employment again, however, and can&#039;t wait to hear about how there&#039;s tons of out trans women so i should be out...with no local backup or no other out trans women in my field locally. Yeah, I don&#039;t really like the idea of being a sacrifical lamb, and I don&#039;t blame oyu for not wanting to be one, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I live in a mid-size city and yet I’m not aware of more than two (yes, two in a city with +1 million inhabitants) who are reasonably trans women -safe for HRT.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really hadn&#8217;t meant to reply as your comment seemed self-evident and awesome and all, but i thought about this statistic for a long while (metro area population of about 2.7 million here, three doctors) and it seems to be pretty damn consistent, doesn&#8217;t it? I have to wonder how many times we can repeat this extrapolation&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Apparently they believe such things don’t happen even when faced with overwhelming evidence that trans women outed do seem to lose their jobs and go off their rockers quite often. Many of those wishful people also seem to be retired, or students – i.e. not dependent on wages.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m presently a student, and also employed, but I have been told that if I came out at school I would no longer be going to school. I am moving back to the real world of employment again, however, and can&#8217;t wait to hear about how there&#8217;s tons of out trans women so i should be out&#8230;with no local backup or no other out trans women in my field locally. Yeah, I don&#8217;t really like the idea of being a sacrifical lamb, and I don&#8217;t blame oyu for not wanting to be one, either.</p>
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		<title>By: inchoaterica</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[inchoaterica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To make sure I understood – you got mocked for having a traditionally feminine job, but also badgered for your presentation not being considered cisnormatively feminine enough...&quot;

Different groups of people, for what it&#039;s worth. The latter was the result of attempting to consort with the trans group which keeps an iron fist on all sorts of socialization between trans people (along with info about things like safe doctors, etc...stuff that should be shared but instead has a cap of shame kept on it due to the gallingly few safe doctors we have here) and the unwanted &quot;tips&quot; that going into that space disclosing brought with it, especially annoying given that most of these people would never give me a second look on the street. 

It&#039;s tiring, but mostly it&#039;s othering and hurtful, since i thus can&#039;t spend long enough in the space to wait for someone else remotely similar to show up if the combined forces of mandatory &quot;suggested donation&quot;, social ostracism (getting called &quot;it&quot;) and passive-aggressive commentary, which is all the &quot;passing tips&quot;are, are used to keep anyone &quot;different&quot; out.  Supposedly there&#039;s more people around my age there, or so people keep saying, but it&#039;s amazing how they seem not to exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To make sure I understood – you got mocked for having a traditionally feminine job, but also badgered for your presentation not being considered cisnormatively feminine enough&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Different groups of people, for what it&#8217;s worth. The latter was the result of attempting to consort with the trans group which keeps an iron fist on all sorts of socialization between trans people (along with info about things like safe doctors, etc&#8230;stuff that should be shared but instead has a cap of shame kept on it due to the gallingly few safe doctors we have here) and the unwanted &#8220;tips&#8221; that going into that space disclosing brought with it, especially annoying given that most of these people would never give me a second look on the street. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tiring, but mostly it&#8217;s othering and hurtful, since i thus can&#8217;t spend long enough in the space to wait for someone else remotely similar to show up if the combined forces of mandatory &#8220;suggested donation&#8221;, social ostracism (getting called &#8220;it&#8221;) and passive-aggressive commentary, which is all the &#8220;passing tips&#8221;are, are used to keep anyone &#8220;different&#8221; out.  Supposedly there&#8217;s more people around my age there, or so people keep saying, but it&#8217;s amazing how they seem not to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrow</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To make sure I understood - you got mocked for having a traditionally feminine job, but also badgered for your presentation not being considered cisnormatively feminine enough? That&#039;s some rank hypocrisy on their part. Even if it didn&#039;t come from the same people, it&#039;s really noxious. And the body shaming is just repulsive. Why the fuck can&#039;t people just accept others for who they are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make sure I understood &#8211; you got mocked for having a traditionally feminine job, but also badgered for your presentation not being considered cisnormatively feminine enough? That&#8217;s some rank hypocrisy on their part. Even if it didn&#8217;t come from the same people, it&#8217;s really noxious. And the body shaming is just repulsive. Why the fuck can&#8217;t people just accept others for who they are?</p>
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		<title>By: inchoaterica</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/cisnormativity/comment/on-isolation/#comment-3914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[inchoaterica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mercifully, I got out in 2004. I dropped you a message elsewhere about where; I do distinctly hope you&#039;re not stuck there and are in one of the more fun parts. 

Like where I moved to Connecticut from, it&#039;s a &quot;good place to be from&quot; but getting out helped in a lot of ways...pretty much everything short of the trans isolation thing, actually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercifully, I got out in 2004. I dropped you a message elsewhere about where; I do distinctly hope you&#8217;re not stuck there and are in one of the more fun parts. </p>
<p>Like where I moved to Connecticut from, it&#8217;s a &#8220;good place to be from&#8221; but getting out helped in a lot of ways&#8230;pretty much everything short of the trans isolation thing, actually.</p>
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