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		<title>By: kat_chan</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kat_chan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I like the Libeskind and Peterson proposals, but my favourite was the  United Architects design, actually.  The other four are of varying degrees of ugly, with the Meiers and Partners being the absolutely most heinous.  And someone pointed out to me that that design harkens to the pieces of the wall of one of the towers that still were standing after the collapse.  And the SOM design just looks ugly given the &quot;Brooklyn view&quot; of it I saw on the cnn.com presentation.  And I really hate the wire-frame &quot;ghosting&quot; of the twin towers that THINK incorporated in their design.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Libeskind and Peterson proposals, but my favourite was the  United Architects design, actually.  The other four are of varying degrees of ugly, with the Meiers and Partners being the absolutely most heinous.  And someone pointed out to me that that design harkens to the pieces of the wall of one of the towers that still were standing after the collapse.  And the SOM design just looks ugly given the &#8220;Brooklyn view&#8221; of it I saw on the cnn.com presentation.  And I really hate the wire-frame &#8220;ghosting&#8221; of the twin towers that THINK incorporated in their design.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrid</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;a little something i wrote back in june.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=accozzaglia&amp;itemid=26570&amp;nc=2&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on being there&lt;/a&gt;, and confronting far more than i ever wanted.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a little something i wrote back in june.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=accozzaglia&#038;itemid=26570&#038;nc=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">on being there</a>, and confronting far more than i ever wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: awe1235</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[awe1235]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;wrd.  i appreciate the &#039;novelty&#039; of it.  too bad they never retrofitted a fire suppression system.  damned government agencies.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrd.  i appreciate the &#8216;novelty&#8217; of it.  too bad they never retrofitted a fire suppression system.  damned government agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrid</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;these are &lt;i&gt;definitely&lt;/i&gt; excellent points, and i concur in large part with you. they shook my foundation, too, in ways that i still can&#039;t reduce to mere words. further, i can&#039;t get near the former site of the Pile without, ummm, well -- let&#039;s just say that i have adverse reactions that leave me trembling and seeing things for days to follow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and seeing things that won&#039;t ever happen now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to me, it&#039;s not about symbolism. or pride. or patriotism. or resolve. or power. or jingoism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to me, it&#039;s about the individuals, their myriad experiences and interests and motivations -- all quashed by the ineptitude of some 1960s-era engineers to do something &quot;novel&quot; that hadn&#039;t been done beofre, all while failing to consider the ramifications of how these edifices could take tens of thousands of individuals with them if something went awry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;which did. thrice. but it only took two of those three incidents to prove a point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, what to do? i honestly don&#039;t know, and it&#039;s really not my place to suggest anything. in essence, this land isn&#039;t my land, and it isn&#039;t your land. however, Woody Guthrie, if he were living now, might.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but if it makes people feel better to at least peck around the grand meaning of this hollow, but brimming space, let them propose design studies. which they are. at least they&#039;re talking about it, and not just stewing silently over what could have been, what isn&#039;t and why any of it even matters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;besides, art (even crappy art) can provoke discussion. i feel that, despite it not being the best thing out there,  these seven attempts do qualify as at least that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but whatever the fate of the space, i&#039;m still not liable to step foot inside, even if i&#039;m living in Brooklyn Heights and working in Midtown. or TriBeCa.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these are <i>definitely</i> excellent points, and i concur in large part with you. they shook my foundation, too, in ways that i still can&#8217;t reduce to mere words. further, i can&#8217;t get near the former site of the Pile without, ummm, well &#8212; let&#8217;s just say that i have adverse reactions that leave me trembling and seeing things for days to follow.</p>
<p>and seeing things that won&#8217;t ever happen now.</p>
<p>to me, it&#8217;s not about symbolism. or pride. or patriotism. or resolve. or power. or jingoism.</p>
<p>to me, it&#8217;s about the individuals, their myriad experiences and interests and motivations &#8212; all quashed by the ineptitude of some 1960s-era engineers to do something &#8220;novel&#8221; that hadn&#8217;t been done beofre, all while failing to consider the ramifications of how these edifices could take tens of thousands of individuals with them if something went awry.</p>
<p>which did. thrice. but it only took two of those three incidents to prove a point.</p>
<p>so, what to do? i honestly don&#8217;t know, and it&#8217;s really not my place to suggest anything. in essence, this land isn&#8217;t my land, and it isn&#8217;t your land. however, Woody Guthrie, if he were living now, might.</p>
<p>but if it makes people feel better to at least peck around the grand meaning of this hollow, but brimming space, let them propose design studies. which they are. at least they&#8217;re talking about it, and not just stewing silently over what could have been, what isn&#8217;t and why any of it even matters.</p>
<p>besides, art (even crappy art) can provoke discussion. i feel that, despite it not being the best thing out there,  these seven attempts do qualify as at least that.</p>
<p>but whatever the fate of the space, i&#8217;m still not liable to step foot inside, even if i&#8217;m living in Brooklyn Heights and working in Midtown. or TriBeCa.</p>
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		<title>By: awe1235</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[awe1235]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;i am absolutely in support of &#039;vertical habitation&#039; or more specifically three dimension &#039;habitation&#039;.  i didnt like the twin towers in the first place.  to see them fall, however, shook my foundation.  i find myself highly critical of all of these designs... in terms of appearance/aesthetics, constructibility/feasibility, concept, execution, and presentation- basically i am 100% opposed to all of these mediocre proposals due to their lack of consciousness.  there seems to be NO true innovation, no true insight into the reality that has overcome this plot of prime realty.&lt;br /&gt;
:)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am absolutely in support of &#8216;vertical habitation&#8217; or more specifically three dimension &#8216;habitation&#8217;.  i didnt like the twin towers in the first place.  to see them fall, however, shook my foundation.  i find myself highly critical of all of these designs&#8230; in terms of appearance/aesthetics, constructibility/feasibility, concept, execution, and presentation- basically i am 100% opposed to all of these mediocre proposals due to their lack of consciousness.  there seems to be NO true innovation, no true insight into the reality that has overcome this plot of prime realty.<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>By: Astrid</title>
		<link>https://accozzaglia.ca/livejournal/examining-the-seven-design-concepts-for-the-site/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;don&#039;t take it personally. i&#039;m not mad at you. i just thought you are acting a little reactionary and myopic about the imeptus for the call for design study entries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in all honesty, i&#039;d rather that they not build anything in that seven-acre footprint left behind, but &lt;i&gt;pragmatically&lt;/i&gt; speaking, we both know that they&#039;re going to put something there, if not to appease Harry Silverstein, then to placate all the wanking &lt;i&gt;amerikans&lt;/i&gt; who are liable to either never spend time in the city to get to know the complexity that fuels it or to come there and treat it as their very own personal &quot;patriotic tourist shrine&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i grew up in a city that revelled in its hubris to build an entire glass skyline in under a decade, and i can&#039;t forget how hollow and jaded i felt when i forever left that place and the ghosts of histrocial buildings lost in their wake.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;however, we&#039;re discussing a city that pioneered vertical habitation, and that&#039;s something which isn&#039;t going away anytime soon. we&#039;re discussing a lot of profoundly-coloured emotions. we&#039;re discussing the american ethos -- dysfunctional as it is -- to &quot;fix and make better what was broken&quot;, as if nothing ever happened. we&#039;re discussing how obnoxiouss, weathly developers get what they want with their big buxx without going for something that&#039;s very &lt;i&gt;tired&lt;/i&gt; or very ten minutes ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;further, if you had a good look at the first six concepts last summer, i suspect that you&#039;d be hard-pressed to say that these new seven studies were at least granted an ounce of creative meditation and study.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i really don&#039;t know what&#039;s gonna happen. but at least these studies make for good conversation and debate, which is what we seem to be having, much as you mght loathe hearing that.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t take it personally. i&#8217;m not mad at you. i just thought you are acting a little reactionary and myopic about the imeptus for the call for design study entries.</p>
<p>in all honesty, i&#8217;d rather that they not build anything in that seven-acre footprint left behind, but <i>pragmatically</i> speaking, we both know that they&#8217;re going to put something there, if not to appease Harry Silverstein, then to placate all the wanking <i>amerikans</i> who are liable to either never spend time in the city to get to know the complexity that fuels it or to come there and treat it as their very own personal &#8220;patriotic tourist shrine&#8221;.</p>
<p>i grew up in a city that revelled in its hubris to build an entire glass skyline in under a decade, and i can&#8217;t forget how hollow and jaded i felt when i forever left that place and the ghosts of histrocial buildings lost in their wake.</p>
<p>however, we&#8217;re discussing a city that pioneered vertical habitation, and that&#8217;s something which isn&#8217;t going away anytime soon. we&#8217;re discussing a lot of profoundly-coloured emotions. we&#8217;re discussing the american ethos &#8212; dysfunctional as it is &#8212; to &#8220;fix and make better what was broken&#8221;, as if nothing ever happened. we&#8217;re discussing how obnoxiouss, weathly developers get what they want with their big buxx without going for something that&#8217;s very <i>tired</i> or very ten minutes ago.</p>
<p>further, if you had a good look at the first six concepts last summer, i suspect that you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to say that these new seven studies were at least granted an ounce of creative meditation and study.</p>
<p>i really don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s gonna happen. but at least these studies make for good conversation and debate, which is what we seem to be having, much as you mght loathe hearing that.</p>
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